brooklyn
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I like Rand Paul & I like his father Ron Paul. Those two are the "last of the Mohicans" that understand the role of the federal government is to provide the common defense & the general welfare for the UNION OF STATES, not the people!!!!
Hypocrisy doesn't exist within the minds of these bureaucrats. They live in a bubble of aristocracies. When they speak "of the people" they are excluding themselves from the very same people they speak of. Bureaucrats view society in 2 classes. one class is this society of equality in wealth, income, education, this is the class they call "The People" The other class is the one they reside in, the political bourgeois class that claims to be noble, caring, giving, & benevolent.....at the expense of the peoples class.
This is the end result of an over bloated government that will say is "Too big to fail"
dudster
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Brooklyn
I agree Ron Paul is unique in the world of politics. From my understanding Rand is very much like Ron.. Ron is one of the few that actually votes based on if its Constitutional, rather then if what a political party is pimping. If I recall, he was the only one that actually read the Patriot Act before the vote.
Its really sad that at this time next year America could have 4 more years of the same (doesn't matter if its Obama, Perry, Romney, Newt, Cain). The only real chance for change and a restoration of power is for a Ron Paul win. I heard that if Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination he would is welcome to run in the Libertarian Party.
I can't vote in the US - I'm Canadian a citizen living in Canada. But if I could vote the US election Paul would be my choice. If he was running for Office in Canada he would have my full support.
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Cain is the best speaker of the three... Paul is probably the best choice for America, but unelectable because our owners don't like his policies - think "Ross Perot for the 21st Century".
Dunno much about Johnson.
Small aside here - the morning after Cain blew all the others outta the water at the first debate, the local FOX station (and later FOX news nat'l) were all upset 'cause he was hurting the "real candidates'" image.
I hope Murdoch chokes to death on his own sperm... And NO, Nunz... I'm not implying his dick is that long... just prayin' for the back inventory on hand to drown him.
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brooklyn
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Research Gary Johnson. He's just like Ron Paul with the exception that he has been a 2 term governor of the state New Mexico so unlike Ron Paul, Gary has gubernatorial experience.
Your right monk, the powers that be (the media) will pick our next president simply by printing negative press, or no press at all point in case Gary Johnson.
I hate to think I will hold my nose & vote for Romney if he does get the nod, but this election for me is an "Anybody but Obama" election & I will vote for a can of soup over the guy we have now.
brooklyn
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Originally Posted By: dudster
I agree Ron Paul is unique in the world of politics.
There was a time in America when a person like Ron Paul was what people expected from their representative. A representative that would voice the concerns of the people that elected him to ensure liberty. Today, we have people electing representatives to go to DC to voice for their concerns of Gimme, Gimme, Gimme!!!!!
How did we go from a nation of rugged individuals, who were proud to provide for ourselves, take on any & all challenges, to assume all responsibilities & be accountable for our choices, to a nation of spoiled dependents turning over our liberties to provide for ourselves to a government, & then have the audacity to bitch about how the government chosen solutions on the issues we have "Passed the buck" too?
I personally point my finger at the time in America's history when we had a great surge of immigration coming into this country. My grandparents fled Italy to come to America for freedom, but they had no understanding of freedom because they never experienced such freedom. They were born, raised, & conditioned in a country that has provided basic necessities to them for survival with no options of providing for themselves. Like the old saying "You can't miss what you never had", my grand parents were no different than every person(s) that immigrated to the USA. They never experienced the liberty to provide for themselves.
I am fully convinced that politicians like FDR knew this lack of comprehension the immigrant had about liberties & took full advantage of it by exploiting them with government handouts & programs sold as a bill of goods to help them, but were designed to enslave them. It was at this time in America's history when government began to grow larger in size & expand outside of its enumerated powers that were placed in the Constitution to prevent the government from over stepping its authorities.
Woodrow Wilson, FDR, LBJ all knew they couldn't make such a huge step over night & it would take decades to accomplish. So as another old saying goes, “One day at a time” the progressives remained patient with their intentions & knew it would be only “One generation at a time” until their day has come when they have groomed a generation of people to be solely dependent upon government & not themselves.
The grooming started with the government exploitation of the immigrant’s lack of understanding of what freedom really is. One generation at a time, people have opened the doors to government, have allowed government to inch its way into their homes in belief the government will lessen their burdens, & have conditioned the minds of the immigrant’s offspring’s offspring through public education & a host of other bureaucracies that are not defined within the Constitution.
President Eisenhower warned America about becoming a military industrial complex. Today we need to take a good look at the academia industrial complex (Dept of Education) we have grooming the minds of the youth. We see the result of this conditioning/grooming when we here the demands of the OWS protestors.
If only we had more people understanding what liberty really is we would have more politicians like Ron Paul in office.
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Don't know anything about Johnson..
With the exception of Paul, I wouldn't vote for any of the mainstream candidates. And certainly not Cain. - the 9-9-9 will soon be the 15-15-15 then 20-20-20 then 25-25-25 then 30-30-30
Anyone but Obama.. How about anyone but the establishment. There are plenty of good sound people in the 3rd parties.
A good chunk of BushSr was carried on by Clinton, Clinton carried on by BushJr, BushJr carried on by Obama..
2012 - Obama carried on by Self, Another Democrat Candidate (after Barry Sorento quits), or Republican Candidate.
Doesn’t matter who is elected they are all puppets and the strings are pulled by the same groups... you want to stop the slide that America is in you need to make real change and get rid of the Puppet Masters.
Oh and if you want I'll give you a hint as to who one of the Puppet Masters are......
..... The Private Federal Reserve and the Central Banks of the World.............
If want the same measures that are taking place in Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland, ect – Then STAY ASLEEP and keep voting the same. Remember They Live - We Sleep
brooklyn
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A president does not have the power to abolish/ratify a constitutional amendment. No matter what Ron Paul says, a president has no power & no role when it comes down to an amendment to the Constitution. President Paul can't authorize the Congress & the states to amend the Constitution. All he can do as president is veto every spending bill that isn't authorize within article I section VIII.
Cains 9-9-9 plan is a good step to allow Americans to keep the fruits of their labor, force the government to live within it's means, & keep the capital in the private sector, not public. Can 9-9-9 increase? Sure it can if the Congress places that bill on the presidents desk & he signs it. That all depends on the American voter if they want a cradle 2 grave government or a Constitutional Republic limited by law.
Right now, anybody but Obama is better than what we have. We can't just snap our fingers & be freed up from the Federal Reserve. We need to pay off our debts to them first & that's not going to happen in our life time. So right now, anyone that can borrow & spend less than Obama is a good choice in the direction of being free from the Federal Reserve
dudster
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your right a president doesn't have those powers directly. but indirectly through executive order and international treaty, ect alot of unconstitutional things have happened. The President leads by example. but your right in general the pres's powers are limited.
the current tax system is in error, but 9-9-9 isnt the answer either.
the federal reserve is no more a federal institution then federal express. every dollar printed is essentially sold to the treasury with interest owed on it. the debt created by that will never be paid off. as a side note the majority of the debt 'owed' isnt by the american people but rather by the banksters through crap like the derivative markets.
brooklyn
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You might not think 9-9-9 is the answer, but it is a start & an improvement to what we currently have.
Personally, I would like to see the 16th amendment removed through the amendment process at Article V, abolish the corporate tax (at the Federal Level), & return any & all tax laws to the States. The Federal government will still have the power to lay & collect all taxes, duties, imposts, & excises, but only upon the states uniformly as the 1st enumerated power at Article I section VIII clearly states
The Federal Reserve isn't a Federal institution, but has been the central bank since Woodrow Wilson. As long as we have a standing principal with that financial institution, we will be in debt to it. I don't like it either, but our nation must maintain it's full faith -n- credit to all & the Federal Reserve is no exception.
This mess the USA is in took almost 100 years to achieve. We both know it's not going to be repaired under 1 administration. It's going to take a huge effort driven by the citizens of this nation & that can only begin when my neighbors understand the real role of government & the real definition of liberty.
dudster, I wish I had more neighbors like you that can clearly read into the wisdom of the Constitution for how it is written & not for how some want it to be written.
dudster
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Originally Posted By: brooklyn
You might not think 9-9-9 is the answer, but it is a start & an improvement to what we currently have.
Personally, I would like to see the 16th amendment removed through the amendment process at Article V, abolish the corporate tax (at the Federal Level), & return any & all tax laws to the States. The Federal government will still have the power to lay & collect all taxes, duties, imposts, & excises, but only upon the states uniformly as the 1st enumerated power at Article I section VIII clearly states
The Federal Reserve isn't a Federal institution, but has been the central bank since Woodrow Wilson. As long as we have a standing principal with that financial institution, we will be in debt to it. I don't like it either, but our nation must maintain it's full faith -n- credit to all & the Federal Reserve is no exception.
This mess the USA is in took almost 100 years to achieve. We both know it's not going to be repaired under 1 administration. It's going to take a huge effort driven by the citizens of this nation & that can only begin when my neighbors understand the real role of government & the real definition of liberty.
dudster, I wish I had more neighbors like you that can clearly read into the wisdom of the Constitution for how it is written & not for how some want it to be written.
Your right it isn't going to be fixed in 1 administration, but will take many to fix administrations, many years, and many people doing what is right.
Reality though is that this isn't just an issue for America. This is an issue for all people of the world. The Ruling Elite have been working to bring the world to this state for a while. And the more people start waking up to this fact the quicker we can put an end to the Tyrrany and start working toward fixing it.
Some say slavery ended at the end of the Civil War.. But thats not true. Slavery just changed forms. At its current pace it won't be long before we are in a total Police State and no longer have the few freedoms we have left. The answer to 1984 is 1776. The Revolution needs to take place in the mind, hopefully thats enough to turn things around.
Brooklyn - If we want any change we need to help our neighbors and friends to realise the proper role of government.
brooklyn
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Originally Posted By: dudster
Brooklyn - If we want any change we need to help our neighbors and friends to realise the proper role of government.
I'm with ya brutha! And I am doing my part & working on that. It does get frustrating at times to here the same old opposing arguments...
"It's not the role of government to provide health care".... "So Brooklyn, you want people to die?" "It's not the function of government to provide an education".... "So Brooklyn, you want people to be stupid?" "It's not the job of government to feed the hungry".... "Oh look, now Brooklyn wants people to starve"
Their argument is so old & redundant they don't even know! Frederic Bastiat wrote about this 150 years ago in his piece called "The Law"
Originally Posted By: Frederic Bastiat
A Confusion of Terms:
Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all.
We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.